Bobby V debate continues

There’s been some back and forth about Bobby Valentine.  I started it by observing that his teams had horrible starts.   This latest observation came into the mailbox from Dr. Jay:
 

To respond to osh41: I liked Valentine too, until his last season when he clearly lost control of the club. But you can hardly say that he managed “very average clubs.” In 1999, with Piazza, Ventura, Olerud, and Alfonzo all in their prime? (Though as it turned out, all just a couple of years away from falling off a cliff.) And Ordonez solidifying the best defensive infield ever? And Payton looking like an up-and-coming star, and even Rickey still contributing?

 

If the 1998 – 2001 teams, especially ’99 and ’00, had a significant weakness (or rather “averageness”), and an area where obviously the “Braves had far superior talent,” it was starting pitching. On most successful clubs in most years, Al Leiter and even Mike Hampton are nobody’s idea of an ace. And the likes of Rick Reed and Bobby J. Jones (let alone Bobby M.) were “average” at best. But the bullpen was a definite strength, and far better than we’ve had any year since except for ’06. Turk Wendell, Dennis Cook, and yes, the much-maligned Johnny Franco and Armando Benitez. Sure, Benitez infamously blew some “big” games, and he and Franco (and sometimes Cook) gave us heart attacks even when they were ultimately successful. But all the games are equal in the standings, and Armando consistently saved over 90% of his opportunities, and club-record total numbers. If he hadn’t, there wouldn’t have *been* any “big” games for him to blow.

 

And recall that the Braves during this period went through three or four closers without finding a consistent one who stayed injury-free. And their offense was Furcal, the Jones boys, and who, Javy Lopez? Ryan Klesko? The Mets certainly had those two beat head-to-head, at least on paper. Which leads us to a major reason we couldn’t catch the Braves in those years — we couldn’t beat them head-to-head, on the field. And I’m afraid a major reason for that is in-game management. I remember more than one game where Cox had a move to counter every one of Valentine’s, with the end result being that the Braves had the situation they wanted and we didn’t. And it took Bobby V the better part of four years in the non-DH league to get the first clue about how to make a double switch, and he never quite figured out when *not* to. Willie Randolph was far from perfect, including in this regard, but he had a better idea of that kind of thing in his first year managing anywhere, after a lifetime with the Yankees.

Football at Citi Field?

Newsday says the UFL (a doomed fall football league) will field a team at C-Field.
 
 
I’m no expert (yet) in C-Field, but I’m not sure how well the new place will work for football.
 
This UFL plans to play in the fall, and for season one the four (count ’em four) teams will each split cities.
 
So look forward to the New York/Hartford Whatevers playing some games in Flushing come the fall.
 
Nobody loved the USFL more than I did, and I even supported the XFL (and still do) – but I just don’t see the New York-Hartford Whatevers getting much attention against the PSLers in NJ.
 
If there is an opportunity for a second football league it’s in the spring.  Right now when not much else is going on.  The USFL had it right, they just didn’t wait around long enough for ESPN to get big enough to covet any and all programming.
 
The UFL will be on Versus, the popular home of the NHL.
 
The NYH’s will take on other combinations suck as the Los Angeles-Las Vegases, the San Francisco Sacramentos and Just Orlando.     All alternative football leagues need to have a team in Orlando.  Where’s Birmingham?
 
 

Village Voice on Mets Tickets

Good piece here: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/03/mets_tickets_fo.php that suggests it’s not just the Yankees who have chased their fans upstairs.
 
Of interest:
 
Citi Field’s 42,000 seats have been divided into a daunting 28 price categories, which when combined with the Mets’ five different game levels (from “Platinum” for the Subway Series to “Value” for Tuesday nights against the Marlins) create an incredible 140 different ticket prices.
 
I’m too lazy to fact check.  Could that be right?  140 different prices?
 
They also add a Yankee-like:
 
Other Saturday and Sunday games produce the same message for almost all tickets under $30: “Unable to secure seats in this Price Level.” You can, however, get tickets in the Caesar’s Club Platinum section in the second deck — for only $140 a pop
 
Plus our great lawmakers continue to look the other way on this:
 
Once you’ve made your selection, prepare yourself to dig even deeper for a $6-per-ticket online fee, plus a $5 “order charge.”
 
You know who has a great business going – Stubhub.  I like Stubhub.  When I need to sell my tickets they make it easy, and I know I will get paid.  When I buy tickets I know they are real and I won’t be stuck at the turnstile.  That being said, they must be making a killing.  I sold two tickets for $60.  I will get $51 after Stubhub keeps their $9.  Nine bucks on one transaction!   Multiply that a few hundred times on every sporting event in the country.  Wow.  That being said, it’s a nice service, and when MLB is paired up with them I don’t feel one iota bad that I sold one Opening Day ticket for over $200.
 

Dutch Treats: Jose Back, No Pedro. Jerry Out Of Loop?

Congratulations to the Netherlands on eliminating the Dominican Republic from the world’s foremost made up baseball tournament.   Several good things come out of this:
 
Jose Reyes returns home to Jerry’s watchful eye.  Now Jerry can tinker with the Boostillo and Reyes dynamic to see who should lead off, bat two, bat nine or be outrighted to Buffalo.
 
No more stories about how sharp Pedro looks against Kingsale, Schoop & de Caster.   I mean if Pedro doesn’t mind throwing three innings out of the bullpen once a week while the Mets are losing 9-2, fine bring him in – but to start him every 5th day is just asking to chew the bullpen.
 
In other Mets news (yay, Mets news!) the Post mentions that Jerry Manuel seemed caught off guard by the Duaner Sanchez release.   Omar, are you not talking to the manager about player moves?   Maybe this really was a budgetary layoff.  At least they aren’t laying off office workers like the Same Old Jets are (technically it’s a “furlough” but that’s not as snarky).
 
I refuse to be part of the John Maine panic.  He said he felt good.  That’s good enough for me.  Spring is about getting your work in not winning games.
 
Welcome back Jose.
 
 

Bobby V Defender

I like when y’all bring it.  This was in the comments but deserves a day in the sun:

 

MetsPolice forgets that any other manager on the planet could not have gotten more out of those very average clubs than Bobby V. Braves had far superior talent. 99 Mets won 97 games, go run the numbers and tell me since division play how many other years that total would have won the division. Friggin Braves won 103 games, you want the Mets to win 104?? gimme a break.

2000 Mets won 94 games with Agbayani, Bell and Payton in the OF. Enough with the Bobby V bashing. If he managed this much talent from 2005 – 2008 they would have won the division 3 of the 4 years.

The 96 and 97 teams? How can you count them? 97 was the first year since 1990 that was over .500 – we were ecstatic they didnt suck anymore. 1998, I’ll give you, they blew it when they had the WC wrapped up.

Give Bobby his dues, he helped turn it around and his teams were genuinely entertaining – he got the most out of what he was given.

Posted by osh41 to The Mets Police at March 10, 2009 7:34 PM