In the comments Metsie asked:
It took a guy like Cashen 4 or 5 years!
The question is are you willing to wait that long?
I’m glad we got a great GM. I think he is the right choice.
We got what we wanted here in Bloggerland but are you guys now prepared to stay the course and give him the time that is needed to rebuild the franchise?Or are you all going to go back to headhunting the FO because you haven’t won anything in 20+ years and you want immediate gratification now despite the fact that trying to appease that immediate gratification is what screwed the franchise up in the first place?
I can only speak for myself. I’m a fan. I act like a fan. I write from a fan’s point of view.
I know that Sandy needs time. I hope that the franchise has long term success and becomes the most awesomest franchise in sports (the point of this blog is to encoorage that).
However, am I gonna complain when they start one and five? Yep.
Am I gonna complain that Bob Melvin is boring? Yep.
Will ticket prices be too high and the cost of beer outrageous? Yep.
I think the 2011 expectation is different than 2007-2010. I think we’re looking more at a 1983-84 situation. `Show some progress and this fan will wait. Yeah I’m a curmudgeon.
I’ve waited 24 years, I will wait 24 more. But to lie to you and say I’ll be patiently writing posts about how awesome 2016 will be? Not gonna happen.
Sandy’s best move would be to never read a paper, a blog, twitter or listen to the radio. Dave Howard can do all those things as he figures out how to get fannies in the seats – leave the on-field to Sandy.
Not sure any of that made sense…discuss!
I maintain there is a formula that gets the Mets in the 2011 playoffs. The GM search should’ve been about finding the guy that can do that without sacrificing the future.
NO ONE is going to spend money in 2011 because 2013 looks good.
The Mets need to get more realistic about marketing & ticket prices, but I think they can get people to go to the ballpark as long as the team is fun to watch.
I want to watch the Mets win a World Series. If that means another year or two of missing the playoffs rather than making short-term moves to win the wild card & get knocked out in the first round, so be it.
Complaining is one thing, I don’t expect everyone to agree with every move this guy is going to make. I sure won’t agree with every move.
And complaining about what you believe appears to be mistakes is fine! No one is saying they can’t be debated or questioned.
My comment was in regards to the usual “HAS TO GO!” posts that you know will be in the postings come the second year of Sandy’s process. I’m sure most will give him the first year as a grace period! But if we start slow in 2012 I guarantee there will be a (small maybe at first) group of posters who will demand people get fired without ever giving them the chance to implement thier plan.
Here is my prediction and what WRONG conclusion will be drawn from it…
Next season we will have a lineup that looks pretty damn similar to this year’s. Except we will likely have Beltran and Bay for more than half a season each. They will show some signs of success and some will attribute that to the manager or sandy despite it will largely be success made with Minaya’s team!
Then Sandy will make some more moves in 2011 off season. Maybe trade away or not resign someone like Beltran or Reyes and the team will drop a few games in the standings that year.
SOMEONE will post that the team is going in the wrong direction enough that the press starts to run with that story and we will be right back where we are now in 2013 with claims of we haven’t won anything since 86!
When you change direction (IF we change direction) that translates to DELAY!
It’s going to take time and I just don’t see the gallery of “Instant Gratification” fans waiting to see the plan fully implemented. Even if Sandy thought that Minaya didn’t do a bad job and all that is needed are a few tweaks it will still take him time to evaluate the situation and come to ANY conclusion.
I have no problems though with them debating moves and using a critical eye on what happens. It’s fair to gauge the potential progress or decline of any action. But just because you don’t see the logic of the plan doesn’t mean you should give up on it too quickly. Or fire the guy because he didn’t trade for or sign the player you think will be the messiah!
Let the guy hang himself if thats what he is going to do and give him enough rope to do it.
Minaya got plenty of time just also had plenty of bad luck! I mean the injuries killed him as much anything.
If this team is really as bad as people claim then you had better understand it’s going to take time and lots of money to fix that!
I say give it to him!
In regards to Ticket Prices well thats not Sandy’s responsability anyway. And how exciting a manager is should have no bearing on his ability to manage a team. Torre looked like he was heavily sedated when he was winning all those titles in the Bronx. Gill Hodges was never the ANIMATED type either.
SO I don’t really see why you would want to fire a manager based on the fact that he has zero personality!
I will give the Mets a chance if they stop trying to act like they’re the Yankees with their ticket, concession and parking prices. Hell even the Yankees can’t support their prices and people want to go see the Yankees!
Mets tickets, concessions, and parking are all cheaper..
Just because you say it over and over doesn’t make it true. Ya know…like the Mets are gonna be in it this year.
You know that Cubs haven’t won one since before the Mets were even a team and yet they still were 7th in Attendance!
a 92% attendance rate compared to our 77%
I know it is really expensive to go to games but how can you complain about ticket prices and then also complain they didn’t go get Halladay last offseason?
You want the big names you have to have some way of paying for them.
Yankee Ticket prices are high for a reason!
Can anyone honestly say if the Mets were like Pittsburg with no big names they would go to the game more because they could make the tickets cheap?
Sad to say but in this world we live in, “You get what you pay for!”
That’s because the Cubs play in a neighborhood. People like it. The Cubs play in a stadium that is, to borrow a word, iconic.
The Mets play in ‘a tangle of Robert Moses roads’. No connection to mankind.
Well Greg, There actually was a neighborhood there before Moses got rid of it for the highway! lol
Point is no one is calling for any boycotts against the Cubs who have not won since Al Capone was alive!
The Twins do a pretty good job with no payroll. What was the Phillies payroll this year (I’m not sure)?
Neither of these teams destroy their fan bases with ticket prices. If the Mets were spending like the Yankees, they may be able to justify it, but they’re not. They want you to think they’re similar to the Yankees, pay similar prices and not have to invest anywhere near as much.
If you get a sense that the team starts believing in itself, and can come back in games they are losing, and has a reliable starter to anchor the staff, and a reliable closer, then you’ve got all the elements of a championship caliber team.